Three men testified. Ryan Graves, a former F/A-18F pilot with the VFA-11 squadron, described unknown objects his squadron began tracking off Virginia Beach in 2014 after a radar upgrade, including one that split two jets on a training flight. David Fravor, retired commander of the VFA-41 squadron, told the story of the 2004 Tic Tac off San Diego.
David Grusch, a former Air Force officer who worked for the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency and the National Reconnaissance Office, said he had been told of a crash retrieval and reverse engineering programme and denied access to it. He said he could give names and locations only in a closed setting.
The Pentagon denied Grusch's claims, and AARO's 2024 historical review said it found no evidence of such a programme. Members of Congress from both parties kept pushing for disclosure laws all the same.
A dark gray or a black cube inside of a clear sphere.
I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program.
Sir, you are not going to believe this, but that thing is at your CAP point.
The encounter it describes is also in military encounters (Nimitz "Tic Tac").